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>> not as much as you in the next couple hours. good morning everyone. i'm chris jansing here at msnbc headquarters in new york. craig melvin is on assignment. right now democrats are using new state abortion laws to warn women across the country your state could be next. case in point, any minute now, one key contender who hold an entire event in the heart of the south to talk abortion. the big question is, for the first time, will this issue motivate democrats to vote. just an hour ago, another 2020 candidate, governor jay insly tackled another hot campaign debate, unveiling a clean energy plan he promises will create millions of jobs. he'll join me live to explain how he intends to pull it all off. president trump will welcome the swiss president to the white house. very busy day for the administration. we're following breaking news. the president's plan to completely upend our immigration system as we know it. but let's start with the
republicans' attempt to make abortion a major issue for 2020. anti-abortion activists have a friend in the white house, a president who devotes a great deal of time reciting false claims of infant side and who said he'll stack the supreme court with pro life judges. add to that, republicans now control 30 state legislatures. missouri senate is the latest to pass a bill that narrows the window for when a woman may have an abortion. alabama's governor kay ivey late last night signed what is the most restrictive bill in any state, one that effectively bans the procedure. 28 states have introduced similar restrictive abortion measures. last week georgia joined three other states outlawing abortion at the first sign of a fetal heartbeat. often that's before a woman even knows before she's pregnant. again, a lot of discussion being driven by a president who has low poll numbers and sees this as an issue that can rally his base. the critical question is will it rally democrats as well.
in the last 20 minutes, here is how former georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams is trying to put it at the center of the conversation. >> we can win this fight long term by changing the structure of power, and that means making sure the people who pass this law are out of office in 2020. >> here to talk about it all, nbc shaquille brewster in atlanta, trailing the senator and presidential candidate kirsten gillibrand who will talk about georgia's new abortion law any minute. also, felicia some nez from "the washington post." jennifer rubin, the opinion writer at "the post" and mim many roker, former federal prosecutor and msnbc analyst. jennifer, help us frame this political fight that the country is facing. i think you can argue, unlike anything we've seen since 1992 when the supreme court voted to preserve roe v. wade. >> that's right. in recent years the pro life movement had been making progress exactly as you said,
with this incremental approach because they want to capture the reasonable ground, the ground of people who say, you know, i don't love abortion, i don't hate it. i think we should have it, but somewhere it rare, under certain circumstances. they were making progress with that argument. now they flip this around and suddenly it's they who are out there on the far fringes of this argument. over 70% of americans want abortion legal in at least some cases. this makes it illegal in almost all cases. you're going to have these very sympathetic stories and examples. a minor child, a minor woman who is raped and has to carry the pregnancy from term. what about someone, a woman who has the risk of a physical injury but not enough that it reaches this level that is set forth in the statute? there's all kinds of, i think, adverse and really cruel outcomes. i think it is going to mobilize the democratic party.
i think it's going to mobilize a lot of independents who think these people have gone off the deep end. >> that's what we're going to be watching so closely over the next year and a half. felicia, you co-wrote a piece on this for the post. this is how you describe it. quoting you here, democrats erupted with loud and sustained outrage. republican leaders by contrast spent much of the day avoiding questions. why? because it certainly was a key question that drove a lot of senate candidacies in 2018 on the republican side. >> absolutely. well, republicans are most afraid here of repeating the history of 2012. they lost two key senate races then in indiana and missouri. in both of those cases the republican candidate made comments about abortion in cases of rape that did not go down well with voters in those states. so now looking ahead to 2020, of course, you've got a lot of key
rac races this coming year again. key to those races will be suburb women. republicans lost them in 2018. that was a big reason why democrats retook the house. as we've seen, this president is not one to hold back his feelings when it comes to legislation. so it's especially noteworthy that over this past couple of days, he and the white house have been silent on this. >> i was on the campaign trail in 2018 with the anti-abortion advocates from the susan b. anthony group, very involved in the senate races because of the importance of the senate obviously in confirming supreme court justices. they see these bills as kind of a culmination of a long successful battle plan. i want to play a little bit of a conversation, i think it was from september. >> seems to be a moment where people are recognizing that there's a lot of americans who are pro life. >> are you more optimistic than you've ever been?
>> definitely. >> yes, yes. this is the time. >> a lot of hope. honestly for me when i voted, i cast my ballot for donald trump and he became president. >> polls show the majority of americans are for the right for a woman to choose. what do you say to them? >> polls lie. >> that's not what we found at all. >> i did watch them, jennifer, go door door. should abortion be legal? 58%. they seem to be turning people at least in the midterms who weren't planning to vote by making their case to voters. so i guess the question is, is this an issue that people will vote on? what is going to be the net result of this? i know you argued in a piece that you wrote that you think it is going to turn off republicans. >> i think two things are happening at the same time. one is you're seeing a flight of white college educated women, mostly in the suburbs, out of the republican party. and if there is a group that is likely to be offended by this,
it's this group. the more education you have, the more pro choice you have, that's a correlation that pollsters have known for a while. those people are likely to be more intensity opposed to the republicans and to president trump. you also have another phenomenon which is, there's only so many evangelical voters out there. the white evangelical vote came out strongly for president trump, but if the democrats get out their vote, women, non-white voters, college educated voters, then they win. >> they'll be outnumbering the evangelicals without a doubt. >> exactly. what that creates, if you want a turnout election, it's not a wise one for the democrats to choose. >> how to make it on an issue that they vote on and how important do they see this as a 2020 issue? shaquille brewster, what's
happening with you are. >> reporter: i'll first say democratic voters are watching this extremely closely and are really outraged about what they're seeing in these laws across the country. that's the energy that senator gillibrand is trying to take advantage of here today in georgia. she's about to have a roundtable discussion. we're here at the georgia state capital. she's going to be meeting with doctors and patients, activists and lawmakers, trying to make the case, not only is she against the fetal heartbeat bill or the law passed in georgia, but she will be a pro choice president. she is committed -- pledging to only nominate judges and justices who commit to upholding roe versus wade. she's going to continue to unvale what she calls reproductive rights platform later today. chris, this is an issue that has galvanized democrats on the campaign trail. if you look at the candidates, looking at the tweets coming out, the passionate statements you're hearing from some and they're using infrastructure. bernie sanders yesterday using
his massive supporter email list to fundraise for abortion support networks in the state of alabama. this is a situation where voters are paying attention and candidates know voters are paying attention. they're trying to get ahead of this issue. >> so interesting, shack. mimi, that brings us to the legal question because republicans have spend decades, not years, decades setting up what they thought would be the strongest challenge to roe v. wade. i want to play what pat robertson had to say. >> i think alabama has gone too far, pa. there's no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law and they want to challenge roe versus wade. but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> i think maybe he speaks for a lot of republicans frankly.
so if not this, what? what are you hearing in legal circles? is there a sense for what could be the strongest challenge to row and how close is it? >> well, it's interesting. in some ways the strongest challenge to roe v. wade has already been happening over the past ten years where you've had states pass what is allowed under roe v. wade and the subsequent planned parenthood versus casey. in other words, where they place burdens on the access to abortion. you don't overturn it directly, but you make abortion so inaccessible, but it's upheld by the supreme court and the lower courts. now we have, and i never thought i'd agree with pat robertson, but i do, we have politicians feeling emboldened frankly by trump, by his supreme court picks. it's the trump effect, of things coming out in the open that had previously been sort of done in a more quiet way. we're just going to try to ban abortion altogether and
criminalize it, 99 years for a doctor who performs an abortion, more than the rapist. it's so outrageous, that i think the idea is that even the supreme court, conservative as tuesday, with the conservative majority, could not uphold this. so i don't think this is their strongest case. i think what they were doing before was frankly more effective. now they've come out in the open and this is where that overlap between politics and law is going to coincide. i think people are seeing now more blatantly what has been happening and they are going to rally against it. >> thanks to all of you. this is just the start of this conversation for 2020. it's not the only controversial issue for the white house today. in just a couple hours, president trump will lay out his plan to change our immigration system, change it as we know it. nbc's hans nichols is live at the white house to tell us about the president's proposal. also with me, nbc's jacob
soboroff who has covered the southern border and the immigration system so extensively. hans, let's start with the president's plan. what do we know about it so far. >> reporter: chris, we know quite a bit about it. that's because the white house has briefed this so extensively. it tells us as an indication they want to change the conversation and talk about the kind of immigrants they want to let in, not what the focus has been to this point, the kind of immigrants they want to keep out. the challenge for the white house is going to be to square that rhetoric and what they're talking about with this plan with the president's instincts. the president's instincts is to talk about how he wants to close the border and build the wall. they do want to have -- do about 33 different spots where they want to have some sort of barrier increases, some sort of wall down there. they also want to have sive vicks tests for immigrants coming in legally. they want to make sure they have high skills, can contribute to
the economy. importantly, this proposal doesn't include anything for the dreamers. chris, that's really an indication that this isn't a legislative vehicle. this is an effort by the white house to restart the conversation, focus on something slightly different instead of an actual serious policy proposal. >> jacob, i know you're very much plugged in to the immigration activists on the other side. i want to drill down into a couple parts of this plan, this idea of merit-based immigration and the changes it would make to our asylum process. how would it fundamentally change what we see now on the ground? >> you have to look at it in two ways. what will it change today? today the trump administration says we have a national security and humanitarian crisis that goes to the level of a presidential national emergency, and what will it do to fix those images of people coming in record numbers, families down at the border. the answer as far as i'm concerned is not much. we're talking about a doubling down on a deterrence-based strategy at the border. more walls as hans said, the
idea we would turn people away, reform the as sigh lull laws so you can send back undocumented children, deport them to their own countries. change the law so you can detain families for up to 100 days, activists, immigration attorneys will tell you that doesn't stop people from coming. in fact, it makes them go in more dangerous and deadly ways. we saw again yesterday a 2 1/2 year old died on the journey after getting severely ill. what will change tomorrow, merit-based immigration sounds soft. sounds like we're going to bring people in who will contribute to the economy. let's put on the screen some of the criteria, one is age, one of them is english pro fish see, education levels, offer of employment. like i said, it sounds like a rational system. but when you look at other places where merit-based immigration is put into place,
particularly our neighbor to the north in canada, canada has 1/15 progt portion nally the latinos in that country that the united states has. i live in los angeles, over 50 latino. when you talk about who is let in, remember the president said he didn't want people from s-hole countries coming into the united states. this seems to be the effort to limit people coming from countries that the president doesn't want and sloweding it in the euphemism of merit-based immigration. >> and with nothing for the dreamers, the democrats aren't going to go for it. jacob and hans, thanks, appreciate it. another democrat diving head first into the crowded 2020 democratic field today is a different candidate. governor jay insly rolling out a plan to bring climate change to the white house. house speaker nancy pelosi talking to reporters right now.
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deblasio responded saying nothing about taking care of working families as a joke. the new york city mayor took direct aim this morning at president trump. >> i'm a new yorker. i've known trump is a bully for some time. this is not news to me or anyone else here. i know how to take him on. donald trump must be stopped. i've beaten him before and i will do it again. >> de blasio's entry makes 20 major candidates in the race, according to the nbc news count. the challenge to these smaller profile candidates is how to stand out in a race that looks like it's going to be a marathon with an awful lot of runners. joining me, another of these candidat candidates, jay inslee, two-term governor of washington state who served over two decades in the house of representatives. good to see you. >> thanks. >> can we do a lightning round on some of the issues of the day because i want you to be able to tell voters will you stand. let's start with abortion. >> you bet. >> democrats have tried to make
this a serious campaign issue since roe v. wade, but not necessarily so successfully that people voted on it, democrats voted on it as an issue per se. is this year different and what's your message? >> people now understand that we have a major threat to the liberty and freedom interests of all american women. whether you have protection to this constitutional right shouldn't depend on what zip code you're in. we need a federal law protecting everyone in the united states of america. i've been fighting for this and i make forward to making donald trump a blip in history and all the threat he makes to women in the united states. >> the other big story out of the white house is immigration. the president later today will explain his plan to alter who can get a green card. it would significantly increase the educational and skills requirement. so what i'd like to know is what does a jay inslee immigration
law look like, a law that legitimately could pass in a republican senate? >> well, we believe in the power of diversity and tolerance if my state. this is why we built the best economy in the united states. i'm proud that i was the first governor to state up against donald trump's muslim ban. this is just another disguise -- >> but what does your alternative look like, governor? >> it means, number one, protecting our dreamers, to do what i've done in my state, be the first governor to give our dreamers an education. it means comprehensive immigration reform, to protect the 11 million families who are embedded in our community right now. it means rational policies on the border, and it means defeating the climate crisis so we don't have climate refugees coming across our waters and our border. donald trump has offered us nothing -- i've seen the devastation of climate crisis. it's hurting our country.
i saw a woman who had been flooded out of her non-profit yesterday in davenport, iowa. today i announced my plan for 8 million new jobs in america, high-paying union jobs so we can rebuild this economy. that's what's going to work in 2020. >> let's talk about jobs. it's key i think as we talk about tariffs and the china tariffs conversation. i know -- i've been reading a lot about what's been going on in washington state, how it would affect, for example, your fishing industry and other things. you sat on the agriculture committee. two points, one, do you agree with the president that china has been taking advantage of us? if he's not dealing with it in the right way, what would be your way? >> well, we have known for decades, and i've been active trying to put pressure on china, that is a good strategy. it doesn't help to weaken our ability to do that. that's what donald trump has done with his chaos and bumper
sticker, tweet thinking on this. first off, he's antagonized every ally we have in the united states. we need to have a team to put pressure on china. he wants to go it alone. he thinks he's the only person in the world with a decent idea, number one. number two, he has no plan for an end game. today you're hearing a chorus of voices including republican senators who understand that job loss and income loss that americans are now suffering. so we need to have a person in the white house who understands the power of alliances, to have an aggressive approach that's built on success rather than tweets. that's what we've got to do. >> let's talk now, and you alluded to it, about the new plan you just unveiled last hour on climate change. $9 trillion that utilizes both public and private spending over a decade. the seattle times calls your version of the green new deal. is it better than the green new deal?
>> i think it is consistent with the aspirational goals of the green new deal very much. i applaud those who created those as spir rational models. kennedy said we're going to go to the moon in ten years. my plan designs the rocketship -- >> i want to clarify, when you say aspirational models, governor, do you think the green new deal goes too far and yours is morte tempered? >> no. look, i have a full-throated call for the full mobilization of the u.s. economy to defeat this existential threat. i'm the only candidate who says these things, number one, we have to get off coal in the next ten years. number two, we need to get off fossil fuels in our electrical system by 2035. number three, we have to have new ways to power our transportation system in the next ten years. i am the candidate with the boldest, biggest and most ambitious plan many this race, and i think that's the right thing. we are a big, bold and ambitious
nation. so i applaud the folks, ocasio cortez and ed markey who put this out, now let's put policies on the table. i challenge anyone to match this. look, when we have people in iowa seeking high ground because of these floods, we can't have a middle ground proposal. we've got to have the full meal deal. half measures aren't good enough. when we won world war ii, we just didn't defeat half our en knees. we've got to defeat all the climate crisis. my plan would do just that. >> governor jay inslee, appreciate your time, sir. thanks so much. >> thank you. thank you. straight ahead, house judiciary chairman jerry nadler just announced a news conference along with other house democrats investigating president trump. we still don't have a date for special counsel robert mueller to testify on the hill. what the holdup might be and what house speaker nancy pelosi just said about it all. pelosi just said about it all
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subpoenas. >> the letter that came from the white house yesterday was completely outrageous. i was up last night. i don't know when it became in the public domain. it's a totally outrageous letter. it says the president is above the law and congress has no right to investigate any of the actions of the president, hold him accountable in any way. >> the president's lawyer gave a blanket no to house demands for testimony or records from anyone that works at the white house or used to work there. in a letter, it said congressional investigations are intended to obtain information to aid in evaluating potential legislation, not to harass political opponents or pursue an ugt rised do-over of exhaustive law enforcement investigations conducted by the department of justice. jake sherman from politico and matt miller former chief spokesman from the justice department is here as well. jake, what are you hearing from
spoker pelosi's camp on how they'll handle the no on subpoenas? >> i left that press conference to come join you here. i heard that statement -- this isn't actually a matter of argument. congress has oversight responsibilities and has the ability and leeway and responsibility to investigate all sorts of things regardless if legislation is coming. this is a new and novel idea from this white house. every white house slow walks document production and things of that nature, but you cannot have the position that i don't won't turn over anything or make anyone available. democrats have a difficult position. are they going to jail the treasury secretary, the attorney general? the answer is probably not. they can toy with it. you can't imagine that happening. are they going to fine members
of the administration? also seems quite unlikely. i don't know what they're going to do. we pointed this out in playbook the other morning, democrats are saying this is a constitutional crisis but they're not prepared to do what the ultimate cure is for a constitutional crisis which is some sort of impeachment proceedings. >> right. if it's a constitutional crisis, that doesn't take you to a point of impeachment, the question is what does? >> exactly. >> i want to play what judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler said last night. he called the president a tyrant. take a listen. >> the white house and the department of justice is enabling the white house to try to evade all accountability to the american people. saying, in effect, the president is a tyrant and dictator with no limit on his power. >> matt, back to jake's point, what are they going to do about it? what can they do about it? >> they're going to have to move as aggressively as they can in the courts. i don't think that's going to be
enough. the strategy they laid out after getting the mueller report. they'll bring witnesses forward and letting the american people see them on television and hear what they have to say and judge whether or not they're being truthful. the problem is the president has completely stymied that approach by preventing witnesses from coming forward, preventing documents from being turned over. every day they're fighting over access to democraticments and witnesses, instead of whether the president broke the law or committed high crimes or created misdemeanor, they're losing the fight. it's not great for the white house to be covering things up but better than talking about the president's actions. they're going to have to look at witnesses who the president can't exert executive privilege over, people like corey lewandowski who played a key role in one obstruction of justice act. people like donald trump jr. who the house can bring before an open committee. if he wants to take the fifth amendment, he can. they have to not go ovafter
witnesses over whom the president has direct authority. in the last hour or so jerry nadler said the committee still has not been able to reach an agreement to get robert mueller to testify. do we know what the holdup is? >> bill bar this morning, i believe the wall street journey moved a story from el salvador where bill barr is traveling. bill barr said it's up to bob mueller. he indicated he's not going to stop mueller from testifying. i want to insert one point about mueller's testimony. i think it's extraordinarily unlikely that mueller will say anything outside the four walls of that report which he wrote. i think that is the extent to which he's going to testify, going to be contained within that report. so i think it's going to be a massive spectacle if he does testify. i imagine he will. but i don't think he's going to say much outside of what we already know. he's not going to come up here and say, yeah, impeach donald trump now.
that's what most members of congress believe will be the case. >> before we go, matt, i want to ask you about a somewhat controversial pardon the president granted yesterday to a former newspaper publisher, conrad black. he was convicted of fraud in 2007, served 42 months in prison. he also wrote what some call a pretty flattering biography of donald trump, and the book was published last year. your thoughts on that pardon? >> pardons are one area where the president has almost complete unfettered authority, unless he commits a crime in the act of giving a pardon, there's no way congress or anyone else can conduct oversight. if you look at his pardons over the last couple years, with one or two exceptions, they have been almost complete abuse of the presidential power. he's given them to people who praise him, right wingry action nair heroes, in one case a former soldier who murdered
someone in iraq. there are thousands of men and women sitting behind bars, some of them serving decades-long sentences for non-violent drug crimes who would be fitting recipients of pardons. the way the president continues to use them is another example of how abusing his office is just one of the core things he does over and over. it's hard not -- it's hard to -- you see the examples in the mueller report, the examples of his pardons. we get to used to it that these pardons don't even make news in some cases. this is a complete perversion of that presidential authority. >> it is amazing where the bar is now for things that get to the level where people are talking about them. matt miller, jake sherman, great to see both of you. thanks so much. meantime, the real world impact of the escalating trade war with china. what you should buy now before the trump tariffs hit? the white house calling on americans to tell them if they've been censored on social
media, but what happens if you do that? as tensions escalate between the trump administration and iran, house speaker nancy pelosi just weighed in on congress' role in all of this. >> now we have iran. we've asked for a classified briefing for the entire -- well, to the house of representatives. we asked last week. they said they couldn't be ready. we thought hopefully this week with all the urgency they seem to be attaching to what's happening in the middle east. not yet. >> u.s. intelligence picked up photographs of missiles placed on small boats by iranian paramilitary forces in the persian gulf. senior state officials say there's an imminent threat from iranian-backed forces based on information received within the last week. one saying this threat steam, let me tell you, is real. we'll be right back. real we'll be right back. ♪
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tariffs expected to have? >> really wide. this is the first time the list includes consumer products. walmart announced prices for shoppers will go up, but the company will try to work with suppliers and look for products from different countries. just think about the types of things you buy at a big box store. we went shopping to show you where else you might see those prices going up. brace for impact. new tariffs mean higher prices on household goods, toasters, mattresses, cleaning supplies, even diapers, all at risk for price hikes as a result of president trump's proposed new round of tariffs. this time a 25% tax on more than $300 billion worth of chinese imports. >> this is now direct-to-consumer products. these are toys. this is food. this is clothing. this is baseball bats. things you wouldn't think about. >> reporter: that's right. the prices could be going up. there's more. everything you see in this shopping cart could go up by
25%. talking lettuce, potatoes, tomatoes, watermelon, all your main staples. tea and coffee also on the list. your $12 bag of coffee could now cost $15. nuts, cheese, candy could go up. >> we still get food from china. we do. it comes back to the supply chain, what's part of that and what components come from china to make up whatever it is you're eating on the dinner table. >> reporter: it's not just food. the list includes high chairs, strollers, even car seats. clothes like this kid's shirt, $10 now, could go up to $12.50. according to the national retail federation, 69% of all shoes and 42% of all clothing sold in the united states is imported from china. >> what about a big ticket item like a tv? a $350 tv would cost almost $100 more. in the market for a new smart phone. jpmorgan says the iphone xs
would go up by $142. what should you do? >> need to be doing your price checking. i think for everyday items, unfortunately we're all going to be subject to higher prices. if you're going to buy a big ticket item, i think you're probably best to do it now. >> so we're talking about more than 3,800 items on the latest list. i brought it for you. >> i'm going to stop you. you said shoes. i just got a justification for going shoe shopping. i thought it was fascinating, walmart says are prices are going to have to go up, we'll work with the people we have now and look for other countries. not every business has that ability, right, to do those kinds of negotiations or to go elsewhere. so is most of this frankly to fall on consumer's budgets? >> walmart made the announcement about 90 minutes ago. it's proposed at this point, 25%. maybe it won't hit that high of a number.
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>> it's a pretty surprising amount of information. the form that the white house tweeted yesterday asks for name, contact information, for links to their profiles on sites like facebook and individuals stories about political bias. the administration has said it's looking to talk to users of all political stripes. we can't help but point out president trump has been on this year's long cusade claiming that social media platforms are biassed against conservatives. the president haven't put forth information showing that. >> the white house will not back an international effort to curb hate speech and extremism online. it comes after the massacre at two new zealand mosques. it's a break with several top allies to what have been called on the christchurch call. how is the white house explaining it? >> it was such an interesting
development. just 12 hours before the white house put out that petition, it was saying it couldn't sign onto this international pact backed by more than 18 governments around the world and major tech companies that called for new efforts to combat online extremism. the white house felt any effort that put government in the place in which it was talk about regulating speech would be a violation of the constitution, a violation of the first amendment. the u.s. was the only major country that didn't endorse the document even as others did. there's a great contrast between that and the white house efforts later in the day to put out this survey collecting stories about bias because the president in that context has talked about regulating speech. >> thank you. much appreciated. up next, pennsylvania county with voters who picked president obama twice but then president trump by 20 points.
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no right to be making these most intimate and personal decisions, a woman or a family can make. >> that's new york senator and presidential candidate kirsten gillibrand from the event we showed you at the beginning of this hour. all about these restrictive new state abortion laws. it brings us to a key question about what are is key issues that voters care most about and what could swing the crucial rural areas in places that voted for barack obama twice and swung to donald trump by 20 points. cal perry has been talking to union leaders there. what do they say? what will it take for democrats to win this time around? >> reporter: you nailed it. that 20 points. that's a decisive victory in this part of the state. when you talk to democrat, it's about lessons learned. it's about how to turn that
around. what are the mistakes made two years ago that they can improve on. a lot of it will tell you it's messaging. how do you turn this around? how do you prevent what happened two years ago from happening again. take a listen. >> a lot of people that were union in our plant have voted for trump told us the reason they voted was because of the promises he made. he stated he was bringing manufacturing back many the state of pennsylvania. he has been brought zero manufacturing back in this area. he's only brought low income warehousing into this area. >> reporter: these warehouses are the perfect example of how you can craft messaging if you're the republican candidate for president if you're donald tru trump. there are more warehousie ining. companies love to use this area. the problem is those jobs are low paying jobs. between minimum wage at 7.75,
sometimes going up to 11, $12. these are often times not livable wages. when he riles the upper crowds and says i'm bringing jobs back to pennsylvania, he's not lying but he's not telling the full truth. that's what democrats are worried about. when you went to these rallies two years ago, that messaging was spot on. it was i'm an outsider. i'm not a politician. republicans here and specifically those trump supporters love that. that message is still plays. when we sat down and had beers with those union guy, the mueller report didn't come up. their 401(k) did. >> thank you so much. we appreciate that. tune in tonight because chris matthews is hosting a live event with voters discussing issues affecting american workers in the 2020 presidential election cycle. watch hardball. the deciders tonight on msnbc. that will wrap up this hour of msnbc live. andrea mitchell reports starts
right now. thanks. right now, threat assessment. lawmakers from both parties want answers on why theo white house is beating the war drums on i n iran. >> clearly the threat level must be pretty high. i think it's important that congress be read in and so far we have not been. >> coming up, we'll talk to the top democrat on the senate foreign relations committee. extreme measures after alabama criminalized abortion. missouri joins the race to al but ban abortions setting the stage for a supreme court battle to come. even a leading evangelical calls it extreme. >> i think alabama has gone too far. my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. border wars. president trump set to unveil his overall for legal immigration but no plan for